Jpjr
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I also like the Blackwing because I own one and am here. We don’t need to be homers though it’s ok to talk competition.
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Honestly, if at all possible, drive them and decide. If you're thinking standard M5 against BW I'd highly suggest looking at M550. Otherwise, take a look at all of the video reviews by professional (i.e., those who do so regulalry) and at some point for EVERY SINGLE ONE (even The Stig), the reviewer becomes a 12-year behind the wheel of the BW. I haven't seen anything else of late that does that- certainly nothing in this class.Exactly what I'm saying, thank you! So maybe I should look at an M5? Or a bargain priced M550i? IDK, this whole thing is really getting frustrating.
Sure but how much time and money? By the time they figure it out, market will move to the next hot thing with new encryption. Tuners can piggy back and use their proprietary computers for the C8 but to GM's credit it's been nearly 2 years of brute force efforts with no luck.Nothing that one has physical access to is uncrackable. Give the tuners a little time.
That don't mean shit!The Goatfather has spoken !!! LOL
Oh, agreed! Can't find a 5BW, and I'd guess no dealer is going let you without cash on the table. Drove a M850ix and was very impressed. Fast, sure footed, beautiful car. I'd guess a M550ix would be similar. I'll wait for my 5BW, but not forever.Honestly, if at all possible, drive then and decide. If you're thinking standard M5 against BW I'd highly suggest looking at M550. Otherwise, take a look at all of the video reviews by professional (i.e., those who do so regulalry) and at some point for EVERY SINGLE ONE (even The Stig), the reviewer becomes a 12-year behind the wheel of the BW. I have seen anything else of late that does that- certainly nothing in this class.
GM has focused all its attention on the driving dynamics. To be honest, the interior is not as nice as my X3M, but it's plenty functional and fine for my use!
I urge you to go pull up a M5 comp next to the 5 and compare materials. I dont want to provide my opinion here but would love to hear from folks that actually have been in both vs articles. It might surprise many.I don't buy this narrative that the base price would be $30k-40K more if Caddy put in better material in the interior. How much more would it cost per car to just have better plastics on the doors? Or soft touch material. How can cars that cost half (or even less) can do that? Look at Asian imports for example. Sure they do not have the power of BWs on their premium trims interior quality is a lot better.
The interior in the Blackwing is the best of any GM car I have ever owned, and that’s 10+ cars. The Escalade(s) I’ve owned always got the benefit of the doubt because the Americans’ dominated the segment. Cheaper interior pieces often went overlooked in comparos because the trucks dominate in so many categories and outsell the foreign plates by a wide margin despite no price concession.I urge you to go pull up a M5 comp next to the 5 and compare materials. I dont want to provide my opinion here but would love to hear from folks that actually have been in both vs articles. It might surprise many.
You obviously had in mind designing a car that was special for very different than an M5 is…I urge you to go pull up a M5 comp next to the 5 and compare materials. I dont want to provide my opinion here but would love to hear from folks that actually have been in both vs articles. It might surprise many.
I dont see a cheaper alternative, I see a better alternative period. Seriously, very curious to see "better materials" and what that means to folks. Just asking to understand. Somebody said "soft touch". The entire console on the rs and m are plastic. Piano black at that too, remeber cts-v review and piano black? The RS7 has a lot of plastic on the dash, looks intricate and beautiful but soft touch it is not. So the why does cadillc use plastic yet the car deemed nicer has more of it is what throws me for a loop.The interior in the Blackwing is the best of any GM car I have ever owned, and that’s 10+ cars. The Escalade(s) I’ve owned always got the benefit of the doubt because the Americans’ dominated the segment. Cheaper interior pieces often went overlooked in comparos because the trucks dominate in so many categories and outsell the foreign plates by a wide margin despite no price concession.
Very similar reality with pickups - the Americans’ destroy the Japanese both in ratings and sales despite the longstanding nod on quality to Japan.
But with the sedans, it’s the opposite. Why does Caddy include ANY cheap plastic bits when they know the rags will make a mountain out of a mole hill??
To win the title, you can’t just beat the champ… you gotta knock em out. GM comes so close but in the end can’t stop doing GM things with their luxury sedans. I would pay $130k+ for a Cadillac sedan that not only beat, but also smoked the M5!
My overarching point is, at the well over $100k price point, WHO is still looking for the cheap alternative?!?????
It's not a huge factor by any means, but certainly it's one of the things that made the BW appealing to me over the Camaro. I love the idea of luxury performance cars, and knowing how amazing the Alpha Chassis platform is, the interior and styling was really the one thing keeping me away from the Camaro. The ATS-V/CT4-V BW fixes that issue, and had I been able to afford it earlier, I probably would have gone with the ATS-V for that reason. That being said, on a pure sports car like a Lotus or even a Cayman, interior can be totally stripped down for all I care. It's just if I'm getting a luxury Sedan, even one as track capable as this, the interior does really add to my love of the car.By show of hands who buys a car based on the interior? Yes it may have some factor into the decision but I'd be hard pressed to find a reason related to the interior that would push me away from a car that overall I'm in love with already. I'm more than happy to buy a car for 30 or 40g's less with an interior that a few folks from a car forum complain about.
It's just like CUE. Every article I ever read about a ATSV or CTSV, all they ever complained about was CUE. CUE, CUE CUE, bad, bad, bad. Maybe a few other small things. I bought a "regular" 2018 CTS. Debated it for a while because of CUE. Being 100% honest, what was the big deal? Maybe the original version in the 2016's was a bit harder to use, but I never thought it was "bad". It just became a joke with the mags..."The car was great, but CUE is bad....don't buy." Stop it. I think the new interior is very nice. Actually, in the 5BW, the top trim is different and beautiful...IMO.