CT4-V Track alignment for daily driving

[savethemanual]

So, I met a guy recently at a car meet who has a camaro SS 1LE and has the track alignment done on his car. And he's kept it like that- i.e. not just for the track but for permanent use.

I drove the car briefly and it seemed like turn in was better and more immediate than my ct4-v blackwing. Anyone done something like this for their daily and are there any pros/cons of doing this?

 

[shbox]

More negative camber will wear the inside of the front tires faster.

 

[travysh]

CT5 not 4, but I have mine permanently set up 1.7 in front and 1.5 in rear. It's equally non optimal for both street and track

But it's my daily so I don't want to run street alignment the few days a year that I'm on track, nor do I want to have the harsh(er) ride or tire destroying track alignment on my commute

 

[savethemanual]

More negative camber will wear the inside of the front tires faster.

Is that true in practice? I understand theoretically yes but at least over at camaro6 lots of folks are seeing more even wear with track alignment than street alignment.

 

[shbox]

Is that true in practice? I understand theoretically yes but at least over at camaro6 lots of folks are seeing more even wear with track alignment than street alignment.

It was true when I ran -2 ° all the time on my 4th gen Camaro. It was noticeable, but not a tire killer. I sure miss the way that car was planted on the road with 275s all the way around.. Tramlining was a real thing, though.

 

[Mircrowaved_Bananas]

I've got the track alignment on my car. It definitely feels more responsive on the street versus when I had the stock alignment on it. I much prefer the way it drives with the track alignment.

My daily commute is only a couple miles, back roads, so I'm perfectly fine keeping it on the track alignment all the time. The track will wear out the tires before street driving can even become a factor.

 

[PL69]

I am at -2.5 permanently on the 4BW, it's really not too bad with OEM ps4s as far of tramilining, I've lived with worst on BMWs at -3.0. With track tire (200tw) it's more noticeable, it would anoy me a bit if it was a daily.

As far as wear from my experience it goes like this
-1.0 to -1.6 No significant impact on wear that will make a difference

-2.0 to -2.5 Impact of wear that could lead to the inner part of your tires being the first part to wear out depending on your driving.

-2.5 to -3.0 significant wear of the inner part of the tire, will lead to your tires lasting a shorter amount of miles if only street driven, most track day enthusiasts who daily there cars are ready to make this compromise as more often then not they will kill the outer shoulder or complete tire before the inner wear does.

-3.0+ not fun on the street, will drastically reduce tire life when street driven, best performance on track.

 

[savethemanual]

I am thinking of doing just the recommended alignment from the manual-

Road Course (V-Series Blackwing).
Front: -2.4 deg camber, 0.1 deg total toe.
Rear: -1.8 deg camber, 0.1 deg total toe

How bad is the ride with these changes?
@PL69

 

[poor-sha]

I’ve driven nearly 1500 miles in the past week with that alignment on my 5BW. That’s a mix of old town streets with bricks and train tracks as well as a lot of high speed on I-81 and I-95. The car drives great!

 

[frankfast97]

i daily mine with track alignment...

the turn in is way crisper. it does want to wander a little on uneven roads i feel like but not bad.
also on throttle i feel like it rotates (not in sketchy way) the rear more and drives off corner better

 

[Carguyshu]

I drive my 5 all the time in track alignment. The added wear to the insides on the street help balances the added wear to the outsides on track. I drove my car & my dads back to back on track & the alignment def makes a noticeable difference in handling. I’ve not felt any difference in ride.

 

[strohw]

I run -2.0 and -1.5 with .1 toe per axle. I've ran 15,000 miles on this setup and it doesn't affect tire life on the fronts.

 

[AC2024]

I run -2.0 and -1.5 with .1 toe per axle. I've ran 15,000 miles on this setup and it doesn't affect tire life on the fronts.

This is what i am planning to do exactly. Are you still liking it? Any adjustments youve made or would recommend making?

 

[BimmerFan]

The track will wear out the tires before street driving can even become a factor.

This. I have moderate negative camber on the Corvette (my track vehicle) and I'll toast the outsides long before the insides have any worries.

 

[savethemanual]

Going in for a track or at least a more aggressive alignment tomorrow. Any last minute recos? I am between going with

I run -2.0 and -1.5 with .1 toe per axle. I've ran 15,000 miles on this setup and it doesn't affect tire life on the fronts.

Or just going with the track alignment

I am thinking of doing just the recommended alignment from the manual-

Road Course (V-Series Blackwing).
Front: -2.4 deg camber, 0.1 deg total toe.
Rear: -1.8 deg camber, 0.1 deg total toe

How bad is the ride with these changes?
@PL69

I am worried about tramlining with the true track alignment. Car is mostly used for canyon driving, not much commuting.

 

[Kawman]

How much did it cost you guys to modify the parts to be able to go past neg 1.5 camber in the front?
With neg 1.5 camber front, what should the toe be?

What camber would you reccomend for the back to go to with neg 1.5 in front?

Are you guys replacing the single use bolts, or are you reusing them?

 

[AC2024]

How much did it cost you guys to modify the parts to be able to go past neg 1.5 camber in the front?
With neg 1.5 camber front, what should the toe be?

What camber would you reccomend for the back to go to with neg 1.5 in front?

Are you guys replacing the single use bolts, or are you reusing them?

I am -2.0 up front. No modifications needed. Just remove the camber bolt. Slam the hub in and replace the camber bolt. In my case I reused the camber bolt.

You should be able to get -2.5 up front with no mods required as that is the stock track alignment.

 

[poor-sha]

Single use bolts are in the rear. You need aftermarket toe links to get past 1.2-1.5 camber rear. Front is easy to get 2.5 or so.

 

[AC2024]

Bumping this thread back up. I've been running run -2.0 front and -1.5 rear camber with .1 total toe in per axle. I have 11K miles on this set up with only 1 relatively light track day - so it's essentially a street car. I do love the performance and handling of this set up on the street and shorter tire life is part of the price of admission and I am fine with that tradeoff. However, I was doing brake pads yesterday (installing the SR-11s to clean up some pad deposits as recommended elsewhere on this forum) and noted some pretty significant wear isolated right on the edge of the inner shoulder. Looks like I will probably need new rubber by 15k miles at the most on the fronts. The rest of the tire looks nearly new and the rears look great - its just isolated inner shoulder extreme wear on the fronts. I am a bit surprised that only -2 deg camber and .1 total toe in would produce such a dramatic result. I've typically known MPS4S (granted not the TPC spec) to go 20k miles on other cars. Anyone have any other data points to share?

 

[Carguyshu]

Bumping this thread back up. I've been running run -2.0 front and -1.5 rear camber with .1 total toe in per axle. I have 11K miles on this set up with only 1 relatively light track day - so it's essentially a street car. I do love the performance and handling of this set up on the street and shorter tire life is part of the price of admission and I am fine with that tradeoff. However, I was doing brake pads yesterday (installing the SR-11s to clean up some pad deposits as recommended elsewhere on this forum) and noted some pretty significant wear isolated right on the edge of the inner shoulder. Looks like I will probably need new rubber by 15k miles at the most on the fronts. The rest of the tire looks nearly new and the rears look great - its just isolated inner shoulder extreme wear on the fronts. I am a bit surprised that only -2 deg camber and .1 total toe in would produce such a dramatic result. I've typically known MPS4S (granted not the TPC spec) to go 20k miles on other cars. Anyone have any other data points to share?

The lesson is to track your car more on my 5 I run track alignment all the time and the outsides to wear out first. Went through a lot of tires in 15k not just one when you’re track driving though