savethemanual
Seasoned Member
Was surprised to see there are nearly 300 unsold manual blackwings on dealer lots. Did gm overproduce recently or something?
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Good to hear.I found during my search near the end of '22 that 95% of those listings are for vehicles already allocated and are used to generate contact info / sales leads. I still get phone calls and emails from dealers seeing if Im interested in what they have.
I agree- I think 70k is about as high as these should go. The closer to 80k ones are def going to sit on the lot longer. Add auto and I foresee a price cut in their future.My local dealers are loaded up with 4BWs. They used to have only one or two on the lots with high ADM, now they have 8-10 each and they don't seem to be moving anywhere. Just about all of them are autos, the few manuals they get in are sold right away or are pre-sold orders. One dealer tends to option dealer stock 4BWs at $74k and higher. Another dealer sticks with builds in the $65k-$70k range and seems to move them faster.
IMO, the 4BW is a $60-$65k vehicle, any more than that and I think a lot of folks start looking elsewhere. Unless you are an enthusiast that needs 4 doors then I would think folks would consider a C8 Corvette, Camaro ZL1, C7 Z06, the new Mustang Dark Horse should be around $60k-$64k with 500hp V8 and Tremec manual. If you are not dead set on a V8 or a manual transmission then you also competing with a Tesla Model 3 Performance, which is now only $46,500 after the $7,500 tax credit. Melt your face acceleration, excellent handling and low cost to operate.
As others said, high interest rates, even folks that have cash may not want to part with $70k-100k in this economic climate.
Yeah, during normal times when you would normally get 8-10% off MSRP and 15%-20% off during end of year sales the prices are not as bad. Take a $75k 4BW build at 10% off and you are at $67.5k. However, when MSRP is the new normal plus tax and dealer fees while used prices are dropping I don't see it. So, I would expect these cars to start sit for a while until these dealers realize the heyday is over and start cutting prices.I agree- I think 70k is about as high as these should go. The closer to 80k ones are def going to sit on the lot longer. Add auto and I foresee a price cut in their future.
One of my life’s biggest regrets is not taking advantage of the gm 20% off and get one of the Camaros or Chevrolet ss.Yeah, during normal times when you would normally get 8-10% off MSRP and 15%-20% off during end of year sales the prices are not as bad. Take a $75k 4BW build at 10% off and you are at $67.5k. However, when MSRP is the new normal plus tax and dealer fees while used prices are dropping I don't see it. So, I would expect these cars to start sit for a while until these dealers realize the heyday is over and start cutting prices.
Yeah, the inventory is usually slim pickings but if you can find what you want it is great. I bought a 2017 C7 Stingray during one of those 20% off deals. It was a black 1LT with the M7 for $44k. It was missing NPP so I put an aftermarket exhaust on it. It was great when you could buy them right and drive them for a bit and not lose any money.One of my life’s biggest regrets is not taking advantage of the gm 20% off and get one of the Camaros or Chevrolet ss.
I bought my '16 SS with all the fixins for 39,xxx brand new. Was a steal at the time and even more so when I turned to sell over 5 years later with 105k on the clock. Sold for 32,xxx!One of my life’s biggest regrets is not taking advantage of the gm 20% off and get one of the Camaros or Chevrolet ss.
What city are you in? Would like to check out some of those dealers.My local dealers are loaded up with 4BWs. They used to have only one or two on the lots with high ADM, now they have 8-10 each and they don't seem to be moving anywhere. Just about all of them are autos, the few manuals they get in are sold right away or are pre-sold orders. One dealer tends to option dealer stock 4BWs at $74k and higher. Another dealer sticks with builds in the $65k-$70k range and seems to move them faster.
IMO, the 4BW is a $60-$65k vehicle, any more than that and I think a lot of folks start looking elsewhere. Unless you are an enthusiast that needs 4 doors then I would think folks would consider a C8 Corvette, Camaro ZL1, C7 Z06, the new Mustang Dark Horse should be around $60k-$64k with 500hp V8 and Tremec manual. If you are not dead set on a V8 or a manual transmission then you also competing with a Tesla Model 3 Performance, which is now only $46,500 after the $7,500 tax credit. Melt your face acceleration, excellent handling and low cost to operate.
As others said, high interest rates, even folks that have cash may not want to part with $70k-100k in this economic climate.
South Florida area. Cars.com shows 758 4BWs nationwide now.What city are you in? Would like to check out some of those dealers.