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Next Gen ICE CT5 Officially Confirmed!!!!

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Next-Generation ICE Cadillac CT5 confirmed
for Lansing Grand River Assembly
Today, Cadillac will announce that after six strong years, the current generation Cadillac CT4 and CT5 will be retired after model year 2026. The CT4 will continue through June 2026 and the CT5 until the end of 2026.
Over recent years, these vehicles have consistently delivered on our expectations through exceptional performance, cutting-edge technology, and superior craftsmanship earning many accolades. This success has led to an underscoring strong demand that cements the brand's legacy for generations to come.
Therefore, I am thrilled to confirm that the legacy of the CT5 will continue as a next-generation internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle in a future model year. The next-generation CT5 will be manufactured at GM’s Lansing Grand River Assembly plant. It will be available for purchase in the United States and Canada. We’ll share more details as plans are finalized.
Cadillac is well positioned to adapt its portfolio to meet customer demand by offering the luxury of choice and this is the next proof point of that flexibility.
We appreciate you being and enthusiast and your commitment to the Cadillac brand. Please be sure to look out for future updates and exciting details about the next-generation CT5 and its features in the future!


John Roth

Vice President, Global Cadillac
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There will be a next gen CT4/CT5...but will there be next gen blackwings?
No as I read this CT4 is done- only the CT5 will continue. RIP CT4.
 
Here is the last bit of news on the subject from 7 months ago: Cadillac Still Has No Plans for Gas-Powered CT4, CT5 Replacements: Report

So they may have reversed course and decided to bring the CT5 back...but I would not be surprised if they skip the MY27 and MY28's as we've seen ZERO signs of development of next gen sedans. The only option GM may have is to take something they've been developing for China and bring it here. I know the CT5 was sold in China - perhaps they were developing a next gen Chinese specific variant that they will modify.

Not going to hold my breath on Blackwings.
 
I think GM/Cadillac has enough enthusiasts that they will try to push through a next gen Blackwing. GM is still investing in ICE and next gen V8 and they are rolling back their EV ambitions, so I really don't see any reason to NOT have a Blackwing.
 
I think GM/Cadillac has enough enthusiasts that they will try to push through a next gen Blackwing. GM is still investing in ICE and next gen V8 and they are rolling back their EV ambitions, so I really don't see any reason to NOT have a Blackwing.
They would have to re-use the LT4 or pull something out of one of the Corvettes - perhaps one of the TT or flat plane engines?? The only next gen V8 under development I've seen is the successor for the truck/SUV V8's.
 
If the 2026 CT5 will continue until end of 2026, that sort of implies there will not be a replacement model available for MY2027
 
I think GM/Cadillac has enough enthusiasts that they will try to push through a next gen Blackwing. GM is still investing in ICE and next gen V8 and they are rolling back their EV ambitions, so I really don't see any reason to NOT have a Blackwing.
if anything, there's no reason to keep the regular version. Blackwing is the only special thing about the CT5
 
If the 2026 CT5 will continue until end of 2026, that sort of implies there will not be a replacement model available for MY2027
It's probably just a simple calculation based on sales volume of 2025. GM is estimating that if they keep producing the CT4 until mid-26, they will have X days of inventory. The CT5 sells better, so they have to make more of them over a longer period of time without adding OT shifts.
 
They would have to re-use the LT4 or pull something out of one of the Corvettes - perhaps one of the TT or flat plane engines?? The only next gen V8 under development I've seen is the successor for the truck/SUV V8's.
The LT4 is a derivative of the regular L87 engines. No reason there won’t be forced induction derivatives of the next gen V8.
 
The LT4 is a derivative of the regular L87 engines. No reason there won’t be forced induction derivatives of the next gen V8.
It's not that simple - there is still a huge development and certification cost to each engine variant. Unfortunately not as simple as "slap a supercharger on it and go."

The LT4 was used across 5 different vehicle models (CTS, Corvette, Camaro, CT5, Escalade) over the course of 10+ years, giving GM the payback period that they needed to make the drivetrain profitable. To develop a new S/C engine and only use it in a single low production volume car would be impossible for them to justify financially. I think the earlier poster saying that this will be another LT4 carry over is correct and this will be the most likely outcome.
 
I don't know if anyone from Cadillac is reading these forums, but as an owner of multiple V models I have a couple pieces of feedback.
  • Cut the fat
  • Focus on racing
  • Conservative margins
  • Restore art & science styling
I applaud Cadillac management and engineering for their persistence and hard work over the past 21+ years. The V-series program has gone from tupperware interiors, glass differentials, delusions of grandeur, and a brand on the edge of death, to cars that are consistently ranked as some of the top in the world. So, if you're tired and want to call it quits, I understand. That being said, I hope you still want to build some really great cars.

Over the four generations of V-series cars, there's been a ton of lessons learned, but some critical missteps. The most surprising misstep was GM listening to feedback to increase trunk space and legroom--those customer satisfaction surveys never ask questions correctly. Instead of contextualizing the question and asking, "would you like an extra 2" of legroom and 2" trunk space at the cost of 400 lbs and $10k in cost" to which the customer would say "absolutely not" they let the customer answer in a free-form fashion.

Then, when the car gets too big and fat, the company sticks a smaller car into the product stack instead of trimming the fat on the original car. That's maybe fine, except now the engineering teams have to split their work between two programs. And then marketing tries to stratify the products, and what you wind up with is a smaller, technically superior vehicle like the ATS-V (which is more akin to the CTS-V1 and CTS-V2) being nerfed to avoid cannibalizing sales of the supposed "halo" car (let's not forget that both cars are halo cars, and neither turn a profit, so you're just shooting yourself in the foot).

Point blank, the CTS-V3 and CT5-V are too big and heavy to be competitive at this price point. You're not Bentley. The original CTS-V had the right idea at about 190 inches in length; just enough room for occasional rear passengers and some trunk space to be practical. The ATS-V and CT4-V are smaller than the V1 and V2 and basically suck if you're riding in the rear, and both cars are way too narrow to fit enough tire to handle real power. But they're light, they have fantastic turn in, and if equipped with a proper engine and tire could be real racecars.

That's why I've been advocating for the "4-2-2" concept for a future ATS-V / "return to fundaments CTS-V": 4 inches wider, 2 inches longer, 2 inches lower. If GM did that, it would create a car that's between the V1 and V2 in length, and as wide as the 6th gen Camaro. 4000 lbs with driver, double wishbone suspension, 600 RWHP with cooling to stay on track, Bosch Motorsport ABS, and you might make a Nürburgring time that management doesn't have to suppress.

A car like that could be turned into a VR model that would be very competitive. There should be a rule that the car doesn't get to be called a V-series unless it can win a race at a sanctioned event. I have a ton of engineering friends that are into F1, and I can't believe how excited they got at the Cadillac V-LMDh--I used to get name-called for driving a Cadillac and nowadays Cadillac is the coolest thing around. There's a ton of guys that could be potentially be turned into Cadillac owners if you only made a worthy car, and frankly, the CT4-V and CT5-V are not it.

One of the biggest problems with the gen 4 V-series cars is that they're ugly. Not sorry--I'll never buy one. And I'll won't buy the next one if the current styling is continued. The CTS-V3 had a perfect front-end with those vertical DRLs looking like a evil vacuum cleaner, but a prolapsed ass. The CT4 and CT5 on the other hand look like Jackson Pollock paintings with conflicting ideas smeared all over with no rhyme or reason. At this point, I can use AI to create better-looking cars in a few seconds than any car Cadillac has ever created. Get artists with taste in your company--fire the current team. Restore "Art & Science" styling.

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I'd be happy with an upgraded LT4 AND a concerted effort to get the weight down to just under 4,000 lbs. It would awesome to have a standard weight starting with a 3 when too many are close to or over 5,000!
 
A number of good points, but some missing. For one, the 5BW has sold all they can build, and I think they're doing ok on the profit margin. Also, there is plenty of disagreement as to the appearance good/bad as well as compared to the earlier series. As noted Cadillac has graduated their performance cars into to top levels and they aren't gonna make V8 gokarts. The F1 engine may have application, which would elevate the brand further. I think most buyers would agree that 800-1000 pounds reduction would be beneficial, but unlikely they will start with a clean sheet of paper realistically. a V8 car between 4 and 5 makes sense for many things noted by above writer, but the proof of a narrow value of a 6cyl has just been proven by the discontinuing 4.
Anyway, if the performance guys remain in charge optimism reigns!
 
Interesting news, this. As fast as the OEM's pivoted on EV's, there could be a similar pivot brings us back to EV's, particularly if there is a big technological electron storage breakthrough, or a political redirection that started the whole EV mandate. I would speculate that there could be a bump in used values, if at least temporarily.
 
Interesting news is right - if they run assembly until the end of ‘26 that would put the model year production run at well over 18 months.
 

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