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Drop CF and maybe get a 2022 - or hold on and wait probably until fall or later?

ajamils said:
All CF, including seat backs are at constraint.
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Im not sure how true that is because my order was accepted by gm about 4 weeks after I placed my order and the only carbon fiber on my order were those seats.
 
speedy said:
Im not sure how true that is because my order was accepted by gm about 4 weeks after I placed my order and the only carbon fiber on my order were those seats.
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Sometimes a car can squeak by and get what is under constraint because of unexpected availability.
 
shbox said:
As that article says...replacement CF (for cars equipped with it from the factory). 1StunnaV explained in post #38 above how it will be sometime in the future and that you may be able to get some.
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I`ve been actually looking for the part numbers online and I believe I found almost all of them on those gm parts sites. So to me that says that those parts will be available to order but now only some of them are available to order. Now how long it would take to ship is another story.
 
SOP said:
I think the statement where they said only black wings can order it is probably just a missed detail or miscommunication. The rest of the article mostly talks about replacement parts, not retrofit.
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Ive been looking up the part numbers on gm parts websites and found almost all of them. I have been noticing that about a month ago nothing was online anywhere not even tirerack to lookup replacement tires.
 
1StunnaV said:
GM will provide parts to those who own a Blackwing who's VIN included the parts when built.... Warranty issues or things like accidents...

I would recommend you look at it from a different perspective... They are taking care of the existing customer....Any successful business will make an existing customer a priority over a potential customer (vehicle on order) .... Imagine a Blackwing customer getting into an accident and GM saying "sorry, other guy wanted parts for his car, so you're gonna have to wait 12 months before you can get your car fixed or buy a non carbon piece to put on your car".. They are literally potentially losing entire vehicle sales, giving up profits, to make sure their existing customers are taken care of.....

They wont take into consideration turning their back on an existing customer. No one is being punished.

You will be able to buy carbon parts, later on , when its not on constraint...
- Priority 1 - Existing Blackwing owners who have a vehicle with carbon from the factory, who need a replacement
- Priority 2 - New car orders
- Priority 3 - Parts/Accessory orders.
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I don't see how you disagreed with me at all.

I was never saying take carbon from those who need it for replacements or for new cars over those who couldn't get it during the constraint.

I am saying that GM should at least be open to taking requests from those who ordered during constraint into consideration assuming at some point the carbon is much more widely available. Maybe it never will be within the Blackwing production window. Sure. If that is the case, then its the case. However, carbon eventually becomes more available I don't see shutting out those with Blackwings who want it, especially if it was during constraint because "you should have just waited" is good business either. Those people are still your existing customers that still bought your product even thought they couldn't get exactly what they wanted. I would also take those customer's into consideration as well, supply chain willing.

If calculating supply is also an issue, then let customer's of Blackwings who ordered during X-window that you will be offering a carbon upgrade for X-price and to put down a deposit now so they know how many to will need to build. Maybe give them a limited time to place deposits. Lotus did something similar at one point towards the end of the Evora's life where they allowed customer's to purchase carbon parts that were not an option during early production runs to order them. This wasn't due to supply chain issues, just changed from model year, but same idea. I am sure other company's have done so as well.

Either way I would suggest to anyone ordering a Blackwing and are dropping carbon that don't assume GM will ever make them available to you down the road. Also don't assume a 3rd party will take up the slack either. Buy the car without the carbon for what it is and if not having the carbon will ruin the car for you then waiting may be the better option.
 
Likuid said:
I don't see how you disagreed with me at all.

I was never saying take carbon from those who need it for replacements or for new cars over those who couldn't get it during the constraint.

I am saying that GM should at least be open to taking requests from those who ordered during constraint into consideration assuming at some point the carbon is much more widely available. Maybe it never will be within the Blackwing production window. Sure. If that is the case, then its the case. However, carbon eventually becomes more available I don't see shutting out those with Blackwings who want it, especially if it was during constraint because "you should have just waited" is good business either. Those people are still your existing customers that still bought your product even thought they couldn't get exactly what they wanted. I would also take those customer's into consideration as well, supply chain willing.

If calculating supply is also an issue, then let customer's of Blackwings who ordered during X-window that you will be offering a carbon upgrade for X-price and to put down a deposit now so they know how many to will need to build. Maybe give them a limited time to place deposits. Lotus did something similar at one point towards the end of the Evora's life where they allowed customer's to purchase carbon parts that were not an option during early production runs to order them. This wasn't due to supply chain issues, just changed from model year, but same idea. I am sure other company's have done so as well.

Either way I would suggest to anyone ordering a Blackwing and are dropping carbon that don't assume GM will ever make them available to you down the road. Also don't assume a 3rd party will take up the slack either. Buy the car without the carbon for what it is and if not having the carbon will ruin the car for you then waiting may be the better option.
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The difference is...
  • Guy who wrecked his car, his fault or not = Needs carbon fiber to complete his repair correction
  • Guy who 's carbon fiber who was damaged in vehicle transit = Needs carbon fiber for his car
  • You = Want carbon fiber
The priorities are correct.

It's actually safe to assume they will be available down the road.... Manufactures are required, by law, to make parts for a minimum of 10 years after the last year of the vehicle..

Everyone WILL be able to order carbon fiber parts. Eventually... I realize its an inconvenience for everyone but we should be fortunate that they are at least doing everything they can... They are more than 5 manufactures contracted to build carbon fiber parts for the Blackwing... Ask you local dealer for the part number for the rear spoiler.... there are several of them.... one for each manufacture..
 
1StunnaV said:
The difference is...
  • Guy who wrecked his car, his fault or not = Needs carbon fiber to complete his repair correction
  • Guy who 's carbon fiber who was damaged in vehicle transit = Needs carbon fiber for his car
  • You = Want carbon fiber
The priorities are correct.

It's actually safe to assume they will be available down the road.... Manufactures are required, by law, to make parts for a minimum of 10 years after the last year of the vehicle..

Everyone WILL be able to order carbon fiber parts. Eventually... I realize its an inconvenience for everyone but we should be fortunate that they are at least doing everything they can... They are more than 5 manufactures contracted to build carbon fiber parts for the Blackwing... Ask you local dealer for the part number for the rear spoiler.... there are several of them.... one for each manufacture..
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I did notice that I found more than 1 part number for the rear wing. I also noticed the same for piece that goes in the passenger side of the dash as well. I thought I was going crazy for a minute.
 
1StunnaV said:
The difference is...
  • Guy who wrecked his car, his fault or not = Needs carbon fiber to complete his repair correction
  • Guy who 's carbon fiber who was damaged in vehicle transit = Needs carbon fiber for his car
  • You = Want carbon fiber
The priorities are correct.
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When did I say otherwise? I am unsure what you are even arguing with me about. I didn't disagree with anything you said. I think you are applying something else to what I said other than what I actually said.
 
Likuid said:
When did I say otherwise? I am unsure what you are even arguing with me about. I didn't disagree with anything you said. I think you are applying something else to what I said other than what I actually said.
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I think I need to cancel my netflix subsciption this is enough entertainment. All hes saying is that right now GM is giving priority to cars already built and in the future they wouldnt. While youre saying that its a bad business practice to punish people who were forced to cancel their carbon to get their cars quicker.
 
speedy said:
Im not sure how true that is because my order was accepted by gm about 4 weeks after I placed my order and the only carbon fiber on my order were those seats.
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Which CF seats did you choose? I had cool gray seats with CF on order since August and oder was still at 1100. @1StunnaV , how can that be?
 
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Because your dealer doesn't have an allocation, the CF seats dont have anything to do with it. If your dealer received an allocation they'd call you and tell you to remove the seats if they were on constraint.

Stunna's dealer obviously received an allocation and had no CF seat constraints, your dealer hasn't received an allocation and thus your still at 1100.
 
speedy said:
No I meant after you took delivery of the car and retrofitted the parts. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/0...ners-can-order-carbon-fiber-parts-separately/ I know that they arent available right now but id imagine eventually they will be.
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There are several different options being looked at...

ability to order parts individually... (ie, spoiler only or spoiler splitter only)
ability to order the same design in non carbon fiber.
retrofit, ie, leave price on the build and come back to dealer later to install... this was looked at, may still be an option, but likley wont be... introduces more problems than it fixes....
speedy said:
I did notice that I found more than 1 part number for the rear wing. I also noticed the same for piece that goes in the passenger side of the dash as well. I thought I was going crazy for a minute.
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hahahaha I was baffled as well. So I reached out to Cadillac to get clarification.
 
speedy said:
Ive been looking up the part numbers on gm parts websites and found almost all of them. I have been noticing that about a month ago nothing was online anywhere not even tirerack to lookup replacement tires.
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Can you pm me those part numbers if it’s for a 5
 
speedy said:
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/0...ners-can-order-carbon-fiber-parts-separately/
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That article only addresses replacement parts.

However, what happens if one of those carbon fiber components is damaged? Are owners forced to order the complete package, or can they acquire replacement parts separately?

The CF packages must still be on your VIN number to get ok from GM to ship. That's current policy. Perhaps after the CF drought is over, they will relax requirement to all BW's.
 
MatthewAMEL said:
That article only addresses replacement parts.

However, what happens if one of those carbon fiber components is damaged? Are owners forced to order the complete package, or can they acquire replacement parts separately?

The CF packages must still be on your VIN number to get ok from GM to ship. That's current policy. Perhaps after the CF drought is over, they will relax requirement to all BW's.
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I had one piece of CF from both of my cars that had to be replaced, and the dealer kept the old parts.... Both parts took several week to come in.....
 
Exia said:
Because your dealer doesn't have an allocation, the CF seats dont have anything to do with it. If your dealer received an allocation they'd call you and tell you to remove the seats if they were on constraint.

Stunna's dealer obviously received an allocation and had no CF seat constraints, your dealer hasn't received an allocation and thus your still at 1100.
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The carbon fiber backed seats are on constraint. There will be some here and there but not much……

You’re also assuming the dealer would call. Most won’t. It takes time to do that. Most won’t do anything until the workbench says it’s not filling any orders otherwise the first order in line that fits is chosen.

I reached out to every single one of my customers in advance asking if they would be willing to remove carbon.

I’ve created an excel spreadsheet with more formulas than Similac…. calculating everything in a moments notice to process my orders as efficient a possible all while still be as fair as possible.
 
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