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Does anyone know if the weight is still 4150lb or near about? I saw 4300lb somewhere.

It's over for BMW's M division. The latest gen M2/M3/M4 lacking steering feel, communication and enjoyment was bad. A 5300lb M5 which will absolutely not go hard around the track without breaking something was worse. Funny thing is a stick shift 5 BW still beat the previous gen M5 CS (source-...

A bit off topic but do the CT4 V BW's carbon fiber seats (only found in the special editions) work & feel the same as the regular upgraded seats? Is it just that the back that changes from suede to carbon fiber?

Delaware Cadillac (salesperson is on this thread, a couple of pages back) has the "special edition" baby Blackwings. $8000 off and I am sure you can get it for cheaper. https://www.delawarecadillac.com/VehicleSearchResults?make=Cadillac&model=CT4-V

Only A10 I want makes a lovely Brrrrrrrr sound.

Aaah. In that case, shop around but dealerships with the most allocation should be the starting point. If you are ok with it, there are still some '23 manuals (mostly special but different from the '24s).

Dude, check the previous page for the Dallas Blackwing sales rep's msg. $10k off on special edition manual CT4 V BWs.

Yeah the 8 or so 2023 manual 4 BWs are discounted. Good deals on at least half of them but you could convince them to remove the shipping fee. Most have been sitting inside the showroom for 300 days.

And if the meter checks out? I have heard of mice, rain, sun and other factors hitting outdoor cars, but can't really find solid evidence of what happens to pampered prized ponies.

Can someone explain if there's any wear & tear on cars that sit for over 1 year, but inside the showroom? Like the manual '23 special editions that have still not sold...

The only people worse would be the fools who pay this "adm" and prolong the bullshit.

Unlike you, not everyone is willing to pay way more than acceptable. The only "likes" you will get will be from people you are promoting. It's also funny how some people, like this fishy dealership, run their own foot over while thinking of how cool they'd look doing a donut.

How does staying on the lot for so long affect the car's physical condition? Outside and inside will make a difference too, right?

I meant proof of what the M3/M4 and 4BW users have said in this thread. It is spot on and the video proves it.

Here's the proof, even if the driver of the 4BW may not be good at shifting. It doesn't help that, as most car people know, the German racing variants are severely under-rated. I'd still take the 4BW though. Always.

Hey. Do the 4 BW's come with carbon fiber seats? I thought the packages added external parts. And that the CF seats were only in the special editions or track ones....

Five now, including a fancy one.