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And then they found teen driver mode was enabled limited to 35mph and 1/4 of the hp.

To see a listing here with 75 miles come up less that a week after everyone was put on notice that the tracker could be taken down is irritating. I and 60+ other members have cars in process that would cease being tracked if this is deemed a flip and it’s irritating enough to the mods. Do I...

May I suggest BaT or Cars and Bids as a better venue. I think 130k is not realistic and those sites will get you a fair wholesale value without irritating boneheads like me.

I would have preferred you not bought it in the first place and let someone who wanted the car have it. Messaging this as an unexpected development is just insulting the intelligence of everyone here. Deciding to also post it here when Rob warned people about flipping these cars also risks...

How considerate of you to spare everyone a huge dealer ADM in favor of an even bigger private sale markup. @Rob recently posted a note about people using him and the forum for flips.

I’m sorry this is where you landed on this decision but understand the concept of living life with a set of core principles. I think this is a case where there are no perfect solutions and sometimes in order to protect the interests of one group you need to hurt the interests of another. I...

I agree dealers should be reined in via allocations. However fixing the dealer piece alone doesn’t solve the issue. You need to do that and eliminate the flippers who are acting as a second middle man in the market. I view the flipper as front running the end buyers as they aren’t buying the car...

I think the warrant piece will 100% hold up in court if GM does not retroactively implement a change. What happens to open orders on non-refundable deposits seems murky as this would be a change to terms on what one would have expected in placing said order. CA dealers cannot legally keep...

Guess we have ourselves a market here then as we both are financial professionals with different perspectives on the same instrument under revised terms.

Explain how paying every zo6 owner 5k for holding their cars for a year is a money grab? Seriously, I get that this upsets you but if your plan was to sell the car quickly then don’t buy it or hang onto it. To assign a nefarious motive seems extreme. perhaps or perhaps the person who sold you...

Not sure I follow on why more restrictive measures are less bothersome to you. You could just keep your car for a year or not buy at all if your plan is to flip. I don’t think the manufacturer exists to make money for people interested in flipping cars. They are trying to build brand relationships.

Yes, but this is apples and oranges. Im a former Vagon owner a 10 year old car is sold without a warranty. Would you pay the same for a car currently sold new if one has a warranty and the other doesn’t? Ford is actually looking at prohibiting sales of some cars in the first year like the...

Who will buy the flipper’s car without a warranty? Sounds like flip gone flop. Take that demand out and the enthusiast gets cars easier from the dealer. After the insanity I went through to get an allocation for a BW5, nearly writing off gm as a brand, I don’t see why that is stupid.

Things printed like there’s no tomorrow don’t attract flippers.

I see your points but respectfully disagree. Not every car can or should be produced in unlimited numbers and supply chain considerations probably wouldn’t meaningfully impact volumes of these cars if addressed. There are fleet fuel economy considerations as well as general brand considerations...

If I had the means to keep a few cars mothballed I would. If I did, there is no way I would sell the one I was actually using. No offense in saying things this directly but you should really think about what the point is if buying the car to have it later when it would potentially force to sell...

I thought the thesis was to keep a pair of Bw5’s? Why not just cancel your 2023 order and refer a forum member to that order instead selling this one. Seems that would be a win win as it minimize delivery risk for you on the new one and give someone else a chance at a new one for MSRP.

I hope you are right. I’d happily trade off a 40% loss on my BW5 some years down the road for a stabilization of the purchasing power of the USD or for the ability to buy a move up home at a significant discount to today’s prices.

Think of this as a character building experience. Several years back when my finances were less robust, I leased a Chevy Malibu. The day I took it home I was flagged down by someone at my apartment complex who asked me if I was from Enterprise. I told him “no, the car is mine, thanks.” Nothing...

This a photo from when I took delivery of my M240i. It’s a 2021 so last year of this version. I ordered it with a manual trans and staggered performance non run flat tires. Unfortunately Bmw no longer offers manual trans in their regular (non full blown m-cars). I think the old 2 series is...